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Post by PierreC on Apr 7, 2019 10:58:03 GMT -5
The Wings need someone to say to KH it's over. Where is the ownership ??
Here in Montréal M.Molson is everywhere, M.I use to be everywhere too. My concern is our current ownership will eventually be too slow to react and will drop SY ! Rumors says SY is going to NY.
The fact that Blashill got an extension tells me the ownership is looking elsewhere..maybe at Comerica !
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Post by chris on Apr 7, 2019 12:32:22 GMT -5
Meanwhile Mr. Holland is quietly building us another contending team ....
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Post by PierreC on Apr 8, 2019 8:38:18 GMT -5
Meanwhile Mr. Holland is quietly building us another contending team .... quietly ?..Indeed...so quiet we Don't hear him… And i'd like to remind the folks here that our last cup was over 10 years ago now and that KH rebuilding is taking like forever. If KH is that good how come he can't rebuild this team like the Bruins did ? They won the cup in 2011, were on top of the word until 2014 where they didn't make the playoffs. GOt rid of their coach, made many good changes and boom back on top they are 2014–15 82 41 27 14 96 213 211 5th, Atlantic Did not qualify 2015–16 82 42 31 9 93 240 230 4th, Atlantic Did not qualify 2016–17 82 44 31 7 95 234 212 3rd, Atlantic Lost in First Round, 2–4 (Senators) 2017–18 82 50 20 12 112 270 214 2nd, Atlantic Lost in Second Round, 1–4 (Lightning) 2018–19 82 49 24 9 Why our great GM cannot do what the Bruins AND OTHERS can do ?...if he is that great ?
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Post by number13 on Apr 8, 2019 11:23:12 GMT -5
yep, Tampa and Boston are good examples of rebuildingI think KH is past his prime and probably has ran his course here. It doesn't mean he sucks, just like Babcock didn't suck, they just wore out their welcome.
I'd love to have SY in the org.
I m starting to think its the Illitches that needs to be purged, its not the same as wit Mr I who wanted to win championships vs. just being average and being profitable
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Post by chris on Apr 8, 2019 16:28:39 GMT -5
The Bruins aren't doing anything we aren't. They haven't won anything, we haven't either. In fact Boston is so great they've only won 1 cup in the last 50 years - yee hah. And Steve Yzerman hasn't won anything either, at least as GM. Nothin' nadda, zippo, zilch (means nothing).
We closed the season with the hottest top line in the league. Got developing talent in the pipe, Zadina, Valeno, etc. And more picks this year - should be good ones too.
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Post by howe9scores on Apr 8, 2019 16:29:10 GMT -5
KH was too busy "TWEAKING AROUND THE EDGES" for any meaningful re-build of the team since the teams last Cup win.
Two weeks of performance does NOT SIGNIFY that the Team has re-built, or is a Cup Contender!!!!!!!!!
It only reflects a promising possibility for next year.
So, Chris, it's good to cheer for the team, but the Wings still have a long way to go be competitive both during the Regular Season, and ultimately make the Playoff cut.
And what did it get the Wings 2019 - - - the lowest point total in over 30 years!!!!!!
Good job KH.
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Post by number13 on Apr 9, 2019 8:23:36 GMT -5
I'll give you the top line was doing awesome. Our last 10 or so games were meaningless for the opponent. I'll be frank here and tell it like it is whether the reality hurts or not. We suck so bad teams looking at their schedule think they have off nights playing us thinking those guys suck so we mail it in, we'll pad our stats and still win. My gut tells me if that we cannot sustain what we did the last week of the season for an 82 game season. We showed positive signs and hopefully get luck in the draft and land a player who can be on the 23 man roster from game 1 and be an impact player.
Kenny Holland is past his prime. If Illitch holdings has any balls they'd force his ass up or out. Kenny Holland own words were something similar to "I'll manage this team until I no longer manage this team" . That means he won't leave the GM role on his own. Now will the Illitch keep handing him contracts? We've been all down hill since 2009. That is 10 years where we didn't have what it takes to get the job done in the playoffs. How about you dig up our playoff record since then? I'm sick of the damn playoff bar meaning something...it means shit when 16 of 31 teams make it. I'd rather have a higher pick than make the playoffs and head to the golf course after 4-6 playoff games. Mediocrity is NOT success yet that is the Kenny Holland bar right now.
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Post by chris on Apr 9, 2019 17:32:58 GMT -5
OK some stats, and face it, it all goes in cycles with this parity stuff, draft etc. I looked at the last 10 years 2008 - 2018. Ask yourself - where are we in the "cycle" vis a vis these other teams?
Boston 1 cup 11 rounds of PO hockey won 2 years missed PO's 3 first round exits
Chicago 3 cups 15 rounds of PO hockey won 2 years missed PO's 4 first round exits
Pittsburgh 3 cups 20 rounds of PO hockey won 3 first round exits
Detroit 1 cup 10 rounds of PO hockey won 2 years missed PO's 4 first round exits
Tampa Bay No cups 8 rounds of PO hockey won 6 years missed PO's 1 first round exit
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Post by chris on Apr 9, 2019 18:09:08 GMT -5
And, oh, the Habs:
Montreal No cups 6 rounds of PO hockey won 3 years missed PO's 4 first round exits
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Post by howe9scores on Apr 9, 2019 18:10:25 GMT -5
Since losing the Cup finals in 2009 to Pittsburgh. The Wings have been just a mediocre team, and have been trending lower ever since.
In fact, it’s possible they haven’t hit bottom yet.
Some forwards show promise, but the defense is substandard and goal tending is just average.
It will take several years before the Wings become a true Cup Contender.
By the way Chris, get your facts right - - this is third year the third straight year of missing the playoffs.
Tampa Bay is top team favored to win the Cup this year.
Chicago is trending lower and is in need of a rebuild.
Pittsburgh has a chance to win the Cup and are pretty close to being a Cup Contender.
Boston’s a legitimate top Cup Contender capable of capturing their second Cup in a decade.
Bottom line, Wings have too many short-comings. In fact, they don’t even merit being on the same list of those teams you cited.
Good job - - Kenny Boy!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by chris on Apr 9, 2019 18:25:19 GMT -5
By the way Chris, get your facts right - - this is third year the third straight year of missing the playoffs. I stated in my intro I looked at 2008 - 2018. Those were the years my source site had. And in terms of the other metrics I cited it's too early to tell. Don't like my stats - you're welcome to run your own ...
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Post by howe9scores on Apr 10, 2019 7:07:46 GMT -5
Any analysis of the Wings must include the fact that the team finished FOURTH from the Bottom in the League (and had a Deplorable GF to GA Ratio, 227 to 277) which ultimately reflects directly on how Kenny-Boy mismanaged the rebuild of the Wings since their loss in the Cup Finals to Pittsburgh. Furthermore, it’s been over 30 years since the Wings have performed that badly, and as result of his bumbling in FA signings, KH should be held accountable. Sure, the young forwards show promise, but until you have all the critical pieces including two top-tiered Dmen and outstanding, consistent Goal Tending - - the team will never truly contend for the Cup.
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Post by PierreC on Apr 10, 2019 11:09:11 GMT -5
Main KH problem is..lack of guts ! It takes balls to make an impact move. If he would be that good he'd find a way ot rid us of all those nonsense contracts. SY did it ! He too had cap problems, what do you think of the Bishop trade ? The Drouin for Sergatchev move ? The St-Louis move to free cap space...and he got Ryan McDonaugh on that trade !
Where are the impact moves by Kh ??
He can't do that. Yes a few recent trades for picks were clever, but those were easy to make, you send a good player to a team in a playoffs push and they'll give you anything you want...i know KH use to do that !
Managin the cap is Something a good GM should be able to do.
When SY left the Wings i said the hell with him...now 8 seasons later i can say that the pupil has surpassed the "master".
Right now Poile and SY are the best GM in the league.
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Post by chris on Apr 10, 2019 17:29:55 GMT -5
Poile's never won a cup and neither has Yzerman. And Yzerman isn't even a GM any more. It's a chess game that plays out over time.
Speaking of cap space......
Red Wings cap space: 2019 - $8 mil 2020 - $41 mil 2021 - $59 mil 2022 - $69 mil
Tampa Bay Cap space 2019 - $6 mil 2020 - $22 mil 2021 - $22 mil 2022 - $29 mil
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Post by PierreC on Apr 10, 2019 18:12:25 GMT -5
Man some cap room ahead for us ! Time to get rid of KH..otherwise he'd load that cap space with useless vets !!
And Chris...don't look ahead, we were talking about the last few seasons, like you did with your post about the 2008-18 time.
Had KH manage the cap the way SY and Poile have done we might not be in a position we are right now..
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